Traveller-digest    Thursday, September 9 1999    Volume 1999 : Number 1077



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The following topics are covered in this digest:

Re: Jump Horizons of stars
Re: Jump Horizons of stars
Re: Roger Sanger?
Re: Roger Sanger?
Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1051
[none]
Re New DGP
Re: Roger Sanger?
Re Technology Demographics & the Obsolete Inventory
Traveller Filk (was Re: Imperial Military and PR)
Re: Roger Sanger?
Re: Merc Equipment/Recruitment 
ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: Jump Horizons of stars
Re: Jump Horizons of stars
Re: Need some help to track obscure stuff
Re: Traveller Filk (was Re: Imperial Military and PR)
Re: IISS Ship Files
RE: Technology Demographics
Re: Technology Demographics
Re: Weight of Metal
Re: Technology Demographics
Re: Technology Demographics
Re: Technology Demographics

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:09:49 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Jump Horizons of stars

In mail you write:

> GypsyComet@aol.com writes:
>
>>  I ran that set of numbers using Book 6 (for the Stellar Radii table) and 
>> found *in general* that K and M stars' jump horizon is beyond the habitable
>>  orbit, G stars are a tossup, and the younger stars (O,B,A & F) rarely if
>> ever  reach the habitable orbit. This generalization applies best to Type V
>> stars,  but can be used for nearly any of them in a pinch...
>
> Actually, it should be true for all stars; the life zone is at a
> constant radiant energy density.  That density is (constant for
> temperature) * (surface area of star) / (surface area of sphere at
> orbital radius).  If you have a 10x larger star with the same surface
> temperature, the life zone will be 10x further out.

But your "constant for temperature" *varies* according to the spectral
class of a star. Type O stars are blue-white due to the incredible
temperature at the surface. Type B is "Blue" and somewhat cooler. Type
A is cooler yet, F is getting into the yellow-white range. G is
"yellow" like Sol. K is orangeish. M is *red* (as in "red hot").

The energy per unit of surface area of the star decreases *rapidly* as
you drop thru the classes. So the "habitable zone" is *not* a constant
distance. 

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:14:48 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Jump Horizons of stars

In mail you write:

> At 09:04 08/09/1999 -0700, Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com> wrote:
>>Phil Kitching writes:
>>
>>> But the stars *don't* have the same surface temperature.
>>
>>All stars in the same spectral class have similar surface temperature,
>>be they type I supergiants or main sequence stars.  My point was that
>>the formula observed for main sequence stars should work for all stars,
>>regardless of size.
>
> I see what you meant and agree totally.

Nope. "Main sequence" stars occur in *all* spectral classes. Thus the
habitable zone is *not* at a constant number of diameters. The number
of diameters depends on the spectral class, *not* on whether the star
is in the main sequence. 

Red dwarfs are main sequence, and small. Red giants are not main
sequence, but are huge. The habitable zone for *both* is the same
number of stellar diameters out, because the are the same spectral
class. 

But the *masses* are quite different. 

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:25:45 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Roger Sanger?

In mail you write:

> DGP still owes me money. I had a deal with Joe that I would accept payment
> in product (as I was buying everything anyway). When AI was delayed I
> decided that I trusted Joe enough to wait - and I still think that Joe
> would have paid me in the end.
>
> Roger was willing to deal, as long as that involved me writing more
> material for DGP (once he bought it). When I mentioned the earlier amounts
> owing he stopped answering my letters.
>
> Seeing as I was never paid, however, I figure that the only material of
> mine that DGP now owns is the bit of Starship Operators manual they paid
> for. The Sydkai, and all those equipment sheets (such as grashfalt - I
> think I coined the term) are mine again.
>
> I suspect that the same situation may apply with other parts of Travellers
> Digest and MegaTraveller Journal, too.

I am not a lawyer. But from what I recall lawyers saying, I daresay
that getting DGPs authors together might be worthwhile. Any of you that
had any sort of contract and who weren't paid, can reclaim the
copyright fairly easily as I understand it. 

It *would* cost money. But I bet that once his "valuable properties
start *costing* money, Roger will be *glad* to dump them.

If there isn't a contract things are gonna get a lot messier. 

For what it's worth, *I* would spend the $20-50 for s hort consult with
a lawyer regarding retrieving the copyright on your material. 

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:32:41 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Roger Sanger?

A ps to my last bit. Anything *sold* that you weren't paid for writing
means that you have a good chance of claiming a *lot* of damages. And
it's fairly likely that Roger "inherited" this when he bought the
rights. 

Regardless, he *can't* market them without your permission *if* you go
to the trouble of re-establishing your claims. 

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:35:50 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1999 #1051

In mail you write:

> On 09/06/99 at 12:33 PM,  Michel Vaillancourt 
> <misha@empire.atlantic-online.ns.ca> said:
>
>>>Does anyone have any ideas on how to produce a localized and persistant
>>high pressure ridge? Idea being to eventually change the course of a
>>jet stream, creating an El Nino type effect in some part of a world.
>
>>        Orbital mirrors and a big patch of ground.
>>        Or get crazy and orbital microwave stations and a big patch of
>>charred ground.
>
> Hee! Any ideas for something less obvious?  Something that could be hidden 
> on the surface, or underwater, and be covertly causing problems?

You'd have to heat a large patch of ground or water. That's gonna be
hard to hide. 

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:04:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: [none]

><<
> Opinions and experiences solicited: I am trimming dead wood
> out of our Traveller group, and I'm wondering if anyone out
> there has ever had to boot a member from their group?
>
> Rob
>  >>
Several times... One player in my group is being punted when we switch
systems (in a few weeks; my group tends to play one system only for 3-6
months before I want to do something else) for numerous complaints by other
players. Mostly, complaints about him fudging dice (I've been watching how
he hides his dice from EVERYONE...), being adversarial in player-to-player
interactions (not in-character actions, tho), and failing to pick up after
himself. Sadly, we'll p[rolly lose his wife as well, who is finally
learnign to Role-Play, not just "Roll dice on cue". Funny, it is the same
player, who, after his Hiver lost 1 point off of Int and Edu (major failure
of the gland, requiring massive invasive surgury to restart, with
complications) dropping them both to 10's under TNE, threw a tantrum, threw
his character sheet at me, and stormed out.

William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:04:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re New DGP

>And as for the vilification, well. On one hand he is the legitimate copyright
>holder and as such that has to be respected. On the other, all negotiations
>between MWM (and SJG) and Roger have (reportedly, and I emphasise that word)
>broken down due to his excessive demands. Nobody's ever actually
>publicly detailed those demands to my knowledge. However given the importance
>and quality of the DGP contribution to Traveller there is some degree of
>bitterness about this, since the net result is that it is very difficult to
>take forward the DGP material as part of published canon without
>triggering the
>opportunity for litigation.

Roger has also repeatedly started development on new ideas, only to
(apparently) forget to pay his internet bills, and change emails, and let
the lists expire... He's had 4 really good projects, none of which have
gone much furhter than getting a good setting material hashed out... One of
them, however, was remarkably close to something T$R/WotC just released for
Alternity.

Also, Roger has discussed the negotiations with MWM... in vague terms... on
one of the "development" lists he's becomeing infamous for... something to
the effect of "Marc is slightly unreasonable about the liscencing issue,
and IG is totally unreasonable. Eventually Marc will come around and either
buy the rights or liscence me to reprint and finish off the old materials."

He does have a wildly creative streak... unfortunately, he is a creator,
not a buisinessman. And he's got a "Must Do Project" that he does owe to
"prebuyers" from the tail end of DGP under JDF era... AI. And he's still
claiming that debt, and that it will be fullfilled... Eventually.

William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 07:13:37 +0100
From: Mark Watson <markw@antares.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Roger Sanger?

On Thu, 09 Sep 1999, Leonard Erickson wrote:
>I am not a lawyer. But from what I recall lawyers saying, I daresay
>that getting DGPs authors together might be worthwhile. 

And from what I hear the artists as well.
- --
Mark Watson, markw@antares.demon.co.uk

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 02:24:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net>
Subject: Re Technology Demographics & the Obsolete Inventory

>On Wed, 8 Sep 1999, David J. Golden wrote:
>
>> 	I've still got my Timex/Sinclair 1000 around ... I hope to do
>> something with it once I get settled in!
>>
>You're the first person other than my favorite ex husband (we'd prolly
>still be married, but he's gay) that I know that still has one.  (He had 2
>when we were married and has prolly got more now... he loves those things
>and gets 'em at yard sales, etc.)
>
>Kiri

I still have one in storage, but it needs a new keyboard (or rather, I need
to wire a different connection from the keyboard to the jack... since the
mylar cable broke cleanly just past the end of the exposed connector
surface). It does, in fact, run just fine, last I checked, with 16K.

Also in storage, I have a Kaypro II (old 2) CPM Luggable-box... 80 column
text-only, dual SSSD Floppies (IIRC). And that runs just fine... but I can
run an emulator on a Perf. 640 that makes it look terribly slow.

And, not to restart the commensurate flame-war, but to resurect the topic:

Ob Trav: PC's get a "great New ____ install package", and find out (too
late) that it only runs under an emulator... at least for any of the
machines they have.... and once they get it running on that TL 15 machine,
can they figure out how to slow it down enough to use?

How good is emulation in YTU. (IMTU, the "Official Imperial Virtual
Machine" is a purely emulated standard, required for imperial liscence of a
given computer for starship use... On TL5-7 machines, it is hardware
compatable with the IVM, on TL 8-9, it is usually firmware based emulation,
an TL 10-15, it is usually dynamic recompiling.


William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click
interface!"
Aramis 0602 C55A364-C S kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge-
533
Mailto:aramis@gci.net http://home.gci.net/~aramis http://www.alaska.net/~mhaa
ICQ:14640742          AIM:AKAramis	ARM 1.0: 3 R H++ P+
IMTU 1.0: tc tm++ tn- t4-- tt+ to- tg-- ru+ ge 3i+ c+ jt-() au+ st- ls
pi+() ta+ he+(-) kk+ as+ hi+ dr+ va++(--) so+ zh++ vi+ da++ sy- ge- pi+

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 03:02:37 EDT
From: GypsyComet@aol.com
Subject: Traveller Filk (was Re: Imperial Military and PR)

cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com>
 types:

>Which brings to mind the idea of Traveller filk songs... like Home

>On LaGrange... :)


Be careful, or I might unleash the long-suppressed Scout Karaoke memories I 
carry from my last campaign. It was horrible, horrible I tell you!...

Ahem.

GC

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 16:43:42 +1000
From: "Alan Bradley" <alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au>
Subject: Re: Roger Sanger?

> From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" 
> > of both was IMO significantly inferior to what DGP put out, and
> > there is little if any present interest in it.  The DGP material
> > - the absolute best non-GDW stuff from the GDW era - is not
<snipped>
> 
> Well, I'm not gonna get into a p***ing contest here, but I have a lot of
the 
> old FASA stuff (the FCI Consumer's Guide, all 3 parts of the Sky Raiders 
> Trilogy, the Uryagen of the 7 Pillars, and Rescue on Galatea), and I
consider 
> them to be among the *BEST* CT supplements around.  But then, YMMV.

High Passage magazine was pretty cool, too.

A whole lot of the FASA stuff was written by the Keith brothers, and is
thus sacred.

Alan Bradley
alanb@elf.brisnet.org.au

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 02:57:53 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: Re: Merc Equipment/Recruitment 

> From: Tom <tbergman@brawleyonline.com>
> Subject: Re: Merc Equipment/Recruitment
> 
> 
> 
> >ObTrav:  Would the officer's and crews of Patrol Cruisers and SDB's get
> >"prize money" for captured pirate vessels?
> 
> 
>     IMTU, yes.

IMTU, depends on who your polity is.  The most common faction of the Shattered Imperium as far as my players is concerned (the Federation of Daibei) does, the Principality of Caledon does, the Carrillian Assembly *doesn't*.  And my players know *nothing* of the practices of the Solomani Confederation (does), the Grand Khanate (doesn't), the Confederacy of Duncinae (does), the Carter Technum (does), the Lanyard Colonies (does), the Grand Duchy of Marlheim (doesn't), or any of the clans of the Aslan Hierate (some do, some don't).

YM, of course, MV.

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 03:14:57 -0400
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com>
Subject: ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I've had *SEVERAL* requests to clone & mail my FASA stuff, so I'm gonna 
post this to the list.

1.  I am *NOT* a collector, but my stuff is *NOT* for sale.  And I've got 
some pretty esoteric Traveller stuff laying around here.  You wanna buy it, 
you'll have to wait 15, 20 years and ask my heirs.  I ain't parting with it.

2.  I am *NOT* a publishing house.  I don't have the time *or* the resources 
to spend 10-20 hours a week at Kinko's cloning & mailing everything I have 
for everybody.  (Ever calculate how much 192 cloned pages cost at 7 cents 
per?  And we're not even talking about the envelope or the postage here.)  
And FWIW, the FASA stuff is *NOT* covered under Marc's 'free to clone for 
personal use' license; somebody *else* owns this stuff, and I don't wanna be 
dealing with l*wy*rs any more than what I have to already for other stuff.  
L*wy*rs are *NOT* fun people on a professional basis.  And while I don't mind 
an occaisional trade, the last couple people could only offer stuff I already 
have.

Now I hate to make this post.  But I gotta.  I've gotten too many requests 
for copies of my stuff over the last couple days.  Sorry.  No can do.

Keven

- -- 
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure
                                                     In Reavers' Deep

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:17:10 +0100
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Jump Horizons of stars

At 22:14 08/09/1999 PST, Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) wrote:
>In mail you write:
>
>> At 09:04 08/09/1999 -0700, Anthony Jackson <ajackson@molly.iii.com> wrote:
>>>Phil Kitching writes:
>>>
>>>> But the stars *don't* have the same surface temperature.
>>>
>>>All stars in the same spectral class have similar surface temperature,
>>>be they type I supergiants or main sequence stars.  My point was that
>>>the formula observed for main sequence stars should work for all stars,
>>>regardless of size.
>>
>> I see what you meant and agree totally.
>
>Nope. "Main sequence" stars occur in *all* spectral classes. Thus the
>habitable zone is *not* at a constant number of diameters. The number
>of diameters depends on the spectral class, *not* on whether the star
>is in the main sequence. 
>
>Red dwarfs are main sequence, and small. Red giants are not main
>sequence, but are huge. The habitable zone for *both* is the same
>number of stellar diameters out, because the are the same spectral
>class. 

That's what Anthony was saying when I accepted his clarification:

Red giants and red dwarfs have a habitability zone at the same
number of stellar diameters as each other.

Yellow giants and yellow dwarfs also have a habitability zone at the same
number of stellar diameters as each other, but at a greater number of
diameters than the red stars.

Blue giants and blue dwarfs also have a habitability zone at the same
number of stellar diameters as each other, but at a greater number of
diameters than the yellow stars.

From the Sol example, habitable systems around yellow stars are all at
about 100 stellar diameters. The stellar diameter only affects jump masking.

Those around red stars are all inside 100 stellar diameters (so you have
to fly much further from the planet to jump - especially for red giants).

Those around blue stars will be so far away from the star that jump masking
probably isn't a problem.

>But the *masses* are quite different. 

Canon says 100 diameters (but doesn't mention stars in CT, IIRC).

"Logic" says "that's silly" because of the red giant/black hole/
100 diameters of the galaxy problem - it should be based on gravity
or tidal values (mass/r^2 or mass/r^3).

Canon presumably repsonds by asking "what planets around red giants/
black holes do you expect to find?".

Phil Kitching
- --
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 09:18:14 +0100
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Jump Horizons of stars

At 22:09 08/09/1999 PST, Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow) wrote:

>The energy per unit of surface area of the star decreases *rapidly* as
>you drop thru the classes. So the "habitable zone" is *not* a constant
>distance. 

See my clarification of Anthony's clarification in another post.

:-)

Phil Kitching
- --
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 03:23:02
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Need some help to track obscure stuff

At 03:22 PM 9/9/1999 EST, you wrote:

>The Benny Hill Chase music;
>Any background music from the Goodies and
>The Twilight Zone of Tales From the Darkside music.
>
>I need these for an Intel briefing that I have to give some folks.

No, I really *don't* want to know how those items are related...
- -- 

Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 03:26:21
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Traveller Filk (was Re: Imperial Military and PR)

At 03:02 AM 9/9/1999 EDT, you wrote:
>cos 90 <cos90@powersurfr.com>
> types:
>
>>Which brings to mind the idea of Traveller filk songs... like Home
>>On LaGrange... :)

>Be careful, or I might unleash the long-suppressed Scout Karaoke memories I 
>carry from my last campaign. It was horrible, horrible I tell you!...

Which is a good chance for me to plug The Silly Era, which includes a Trav
filk page:

http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/silytrav.html

Figures we hjust took "Home on Lagrange" down...
- -- 

Douglas E. Berry       gridlore@mindspring.com
http://gridlore.home.mindspring.com/index.html

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:47:43 -0500 
From: "Slack, Andy" <andy.slack@gb.unisys.com>
Subject: Re: IISS Ship Files

- --M <mitch@sirius.com> wrote:
>I have a copy of "IISS Ships Files" from games workshop. There is a picture
on page 8 that is used to illustrate standard ships details, you know bulk
heads iris valves, hatches etc. The ship in the diagram is not in the book.
I have never seen it, have any of you?<

I worked on the production of this book, and IIRC Keven's right - we just
made that one up so we
could have a conveniently-sized deck plan that showed all the symbols. It
isn't any particular ship.

Might make an interesting THUDDD to design it, though...
Andy


The LBBs _will_ return. In strength. In bold determination. In TOTAL
VICTORY!!!
...and probably in flared trousers, too, man. [thhhhhhpp.]

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1999 05:47:42 -0500 
From: "Slack, Andy" <andy.slack@gb.unisys.com>
Subject: RE: Technology Demographics

I surf in 800 x 600 VGA using IE4. With my setup it's hard to view
anything bigger.
Andy

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1999 11:52:08 +0100
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com>
Subject: Re: Technology Demographics

At 23:12 08/09/1999 +0100, Matt Clonfero <Matt-C@aetherem.demon.co.uk> asked:

>(Btw - can you still get Risc PCs / STRONGARM machines?)

Indeed

	http://www.castle.org.uk/

Phil Kitching
- --
  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:37:16 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Weight of Metal

In mail you write:

>>I am looking for the weights per cubic CM or inch for Steel,
>>Crystaliron,Superdense and Coherent Superdense. I know I seen the figures
>>somewhere, but I can't remember where.
>>Thank you for your time.
>>Alan
>
>
> According to FFS1, densities for the above are 10, 15 and 15 tonnes per
> cubic metre, respectively.

Which means they are 10, 15, and 15 kg per cm^3.

> I can't remember how many inches in a metre to more than one sig fig, so I
> won't screw the numbers by posting a rough conversion.

1 inch = 2.54 cm

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 22:41:42 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Technology Demographics

Netware 3.11 Server: Intergrapgh TD-3. P90 with 48 meg RAM, 3 volumes:
	SYS: 2 gig SCSI.  TEMP: 1 gig SCSI, MAIN: pair of 9 gig SCSI
	drives, mirrored. SCSI CD-ROM. Intel 10/100 server LAN card.

"modem server": 386DX-33, 8 meg RAM, 120 meg HD, USR Sportster v.90
	FAX, NE1000 LAN card. DR-DOS 7.01

"uuxqt/rmail/rnews": AST 486DX-33. 120 meg HD, Intel EtherExpress 16
	LAN card. DR-DOS 7.01

what I'm typing this on: AMD K6-2 300, 9 gig IDE HD, IDE CD-ROM, SCSI
	100 meg ZIP drive (internal), PAS-16 soundcard, Matrox video (8
	meg?). Nanao Flexscan T560i monitor (16" *viewable*) 1280x1024x16m.
	Logitech Trackman Marble +. 2 USB ports, 1 IR port. Intel 10/100
	server LAN card. OS/2 Warp 4 (also runs Win 95 osr2 and DR-DOS, via
	BootMagic)

Printers (attached to Intel NetPort): HP Deskjet 500, Tandy DMP-135.
	HP-7475A plotter.


Not yet networked. 
	A couple of Mac Plus systems.
	*many* 386/286 and XT systems
	Tandy Model 4p (3 of them)
	Tandy Model 100 (2 of them)
	Franklin ACE1200 (Apple II+ clone)

plus various even stranger things, like a Tektronix workstation based
on the NS 16016 or 16032 or 32016 (I can't recall which). 

BTW, I'd *love* to get a copy of one of the DOSes for the Apple II, as
well as any Apple II Traveller software. Why run an emulator? :-)

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Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:09:15 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Technology Demographics

In mail you write:

> I recently tired of messing with my cheapo 19-inch monitor, and dropped the
> proverbial wad on a 21-inch Trinitron.  So put me down in the 1280 x 1024
> column.  (I couldn't be happier, although I was reduced to peanutbutter &
> jelly sandwiches for the next month paying for it!  :)

I'm running 1280x1024 on my 16" monitor. And I got it for $200. :-)

> Another point that started this thread was the idea that TMLers, as presumed
> math and science types, would tend towards high-end equipment.  The only
> counterpoint I would add, is that I can easily imagine an engineering type
> looking at a old 8088 and seeing a Neat Toy ("I can use this to reprogram my
> dishwasher!").  Whereas I (a GUI programmer) would have induced flashbacks
> of CS-101, compiling UCSD Pascal code from floppies, and beg somebody to
> haul the sad boat anchor off to the museum.  :P

I spent some money from an inheritance to get a system that was close
to state of the art (but *not* "bleeding edge"). It's paying off as I
learn the ins and outs of faster gear. 

But I'm also "custodian" of various gear going back to 1978 (a
"Diskwriter", a rather strange 8080 system intended for data entry). 

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 23:19:32 PST
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)
Subject: Re: Technology Demographics

In mail you write:

>> 5) Palm-V
>
> I've been thinking 'bout something portable, how do you like your Palm V? Is
> there plenty of Traveller software for it? It comes with a basic data base
> and word processor, doesn't it? Although those new iBooks sound pretty nice
> too. A Powerbook is tempting, but expensive, and probably way overkill. I
> just need to take notes, sketch diagrams, etc.
>
> As far as the thread is concerned, I think all you folks are set up just
> fine. I am relieved, after seeing the primative POS's some acquaintances
> have, I thought maybe I should check and see what my audience might be
> using. I am feeling much more optimistic now. I think I can get away with
> frames, anyone /not/ frame capable?

Until I get some dialer issues in OS/2 resolved *or* figure out why
Win95 doesn't see the Netware Server, I'm stuck with text only web
access. Lynx...

- -- 
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort

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